Comments on: Blogging Horror http://girtby.net/archives/2008/05/22/blogging-horror/ this blog is girtby.net Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:44:34 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9-rare hourly 1 By: Amateurs and Credibility « Martin’s Blog http://girtby.net/archives/2008/05/22/blogging-horror/comment-page-2/#comment-2186 Amateurs and Credibility « Martin’s Blog Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:07:54 +0000 http://girtby.net/2008/05/23/blogging-horror#comment-2186 <p>[...] Posted June 1, 2008 Filed under: twitter | Jeff Atwood has openly responded to some criticism of his blog Coding Horror by Alastair Rankine. I get where Alastair is coming from. But I really enjoy Jeff’s posts and [...]</p> [...] Posted June 1, 2008 Filed under: twitter | Jeff Atwood has openly responded to some criticism of his blog Coding Horror by Alastair Rankine. I get where Alastair is coming from. But I really enjoy Jeff’s posts and [...]

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By: tim http://girtby.net/archives/2008/05/22/blogging-horror/comment-page-2/#comment-1905 tim Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:52:52 +0000 http://girtby.net/2008/05/23/blogging-horror#comment-1905 <p>Jeff is an idiot. Well, that may be over the top, but he is not that bright. On just about all things he blogs or discusses he has an amazingly simplified view of things and then when Joel corrects him Jeff usually says something about "edge cases" or "I totally agree".</p> <p>My god, to listen to him on that podcast about NP complete was hilarious. How can someone who writes web applications even consider setting themselves up as an expert on software development? Whenever I was bold enough to actually read his crap on coding horror, the only reasonable things I read were the quotes he took from other people or the apparent unlimited stealing from Mcconnell. I think Jeff wants to have his babies. really.</p> Jeff is an idiot. Well, that may be over the top, but he is not that bright. On just about all things he blogs or discusses he has an amazingly simplified view of things and then when Joel corrects him Jeff usually says something about “edge cases” or “I totally agree”.

My god, to listen to him on that podcast about NP complete was hilarious. How can someone who writes web applications even consider setting themselves up as an expert on software development? Whenever I was bold enough to actually read his crap on coding horror, the only reasonable things I read were the quotes he took from other people or the apparent unlimited stealing from Mcconnell. I think Jeff wants to have his babies. really.

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By: tonetheman http://girtby.net/archives/2008/05/22/blogging-horror/comment-page-1/#comment-1708 tonetheman Thu, 22 May 2008 12:08:00 +0000 http://girtby.net/2008/05/23/blogging-horror#comment-1708 <p>I think you have to say Atwood is a smart guy. His blog postings prove that. Past that who knows.</p> <p>I was surprised also to hear Atwood does not know C and thinks it is a bad idea to learn it. Maybe dismayed really. I guess though when you read his blogs you just assume someone that is this smart and this opinionated on programming should know C. Maybe not.</p> <p>I do think that his posts are great just because they are language agnostic. It is clear that he has a good understanding of things to do with computers no matter the language.</p> <p>I will probably keep reading and listening to him.</p> I think you have to say Atwood is a smart guy. His blog postings prove that. Past that who knows.

I was surprised also to hear Atwood does not know C and thinks it is a bad idea to learn it. Maybe dismayed really. I guess though when you read his blogs you just assume someone that is this smart and this opinionated on programming should know C. Maybe not.

I do think that his posts are great just because they are language agnostic. It is clear that he has a good understanding of things to do with computers no matter the language.

I will probably keep reading and listening to him.

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By: David http://girtby.net/archives/2008/05/22/blogging-horror/comment-page-1/#comment-1709 David Thu, 22 May 2008 12:08:00 +0000 http://girtby.net/2008/05/23/blogging-horror#comment-1709 <p>I used to like Coding Horror, but also unsubscribed. What started to bother me was the vaguly page-view bating semi-troll stuff he started to write.</p> <p>I agree it's a difficult line because he's 'just a guy' but he did seem to be thinking that he was a bit of an expert on a lot of things. When he writes about an area I know well then it's pretty obvious he's just a bit of a generalist, and is more or less just guessing for a lot of stuff - this puts doubts in my mind as to if he's an authority on anything really. He had some hilariously/embarrassingly wrong stuff on security, and he just did the Scoble bail of 'my readers help me learn' crap as an excuse for getting caught out.</p> <p>A lot of his output now has descended into either Dvorak like 'please react' fluff or, more commonly, where he takes a semi-well known topic and just dumbs it down as if he discovered it - I see him like a 'Readers Digest for Tech SemiMorons' kinda angle. Entertaining regurgitation , but not really a decent writer by any stretch of the imagination.</p> <p>I hope he does ok in the new site, but I've (and quite a few tech people I know) have flipped the ol 'Bozo Bit' on poor Jeff Atwood a long time ago... Shame he gave up the day job really.</p> <p>It happens, people's blogs get popular and they buy into their own PR - my rules is that people that don't write software for a living should STFU - either that or be a great writer/entertainer...</p> I used to like Coding Horror, but also unsubscribed. What started to bother me was the vaguly page-view bating semi-troll stuff he started to write.

I agree it’s a difficult line because he’s ‘just a guy’ but he did seem to be thinking that he was a bit of an expert on a lot of things. When he writes about an area I know well then it’s pretty obvious he’s just a bit of a generalist, and is more or less just guessing for a lot of stuff – this puts doubts in my mind as to if he’s an authority on anything really. He had some hilariously/embarrassingly wrong stuff on security, and he just did the Scoble bail of ‘my readers help me learn’ crap as an excuse for getting caught out.

A lot of his output now has descended into either Dvorak like ‘please react’ fluff or, more commonly, where he takes a semi-well known topic and just dumbs it down as if he discovered it – I see him like a ‘Readers Digest for Tech SemiMorons’ kinda angle. Entertaining regurgitation , but not really a decent writer by any stretch of the imagination.

I hope he does ok in the new site, but I’ve (and quite a few tech people I know) have flipped the ol ‘Bozo Bit’ on poor Jeff Atwood a long time ago… Shame he gave up the day job really.

It happens, people’s blogs get popular and they buy into their own PR – my rules is that people that don’t write software for a living should STFU – either that or be a great writer/entertainer…

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By: Mike http://girtby.net/archives/2008/05/22/blogging-horror/comment-page-1/#comment-1710 Mike Thu, 22 May 2008 12:08:00 +0000 http://girtby.net/2008/05/23/blogging-horror#comment-1710 <p>I'd be lying if I said that I didn't disagree with him from time to time, but as a Blogger all you can really expect is a viewpoint, not concrete fact.</p> <p>As a student I use these Blog's to give me an insight to what I have not experienced before, and to give me advice on what 'could' be worth learning.</p> <p>That being said, I do agree with you when you say that with his own website he could be propping himself up to be recognised, but with the fame his Blog has given him why shouldn't he? Whilst from what I know of he hasn't built anything spectacular that I use on my desktop or online (i.e. Newsvine, YouTube, Digg, etc) I still believe him to be a great developer and a very smart man. He does deserve criticism, just like everyone else that places themselves in the public eye. However, I think even he is aware of his placement in the industry now after leaving his job, and with the popularity of his Blog it's up to him to prove any critics wrong and provide a fantastic resource in stackoverflow.com.</p> I’d be lying if I said that I didn’t disagree with him from time to time, but as a Blogger all you can really expect is a viewpoint, not concrete fact.

As a student I use these Blog’s to give me an insight to what I have not experienced before, and to give me advice on what ‘could’ be worth learning.

That being said, I do agree with you when you say that with his own website he could be propping himself up to be recognised, but with the fame his Blog has given him why shouldn’t he? Whilst from what I know of he hasn’t built anything spectacular that I use on my desktop or online (i.e. Newsvine, YouTube, Digg, etc) I still believe him to be a great developer and a very smart man. He does deserve criticism, just like everyone else that places themselves in the public eye. However, I think even he is aware of his placement in the industry now after leaving his job, and with the popularity of his Blog it’s up to him to prove any critics wrong and provide a fantastic resource in stackoverflow.com.

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By: Aristotle Pagaltzis http://girtby.net/archives/2008/05/22/blogging-horror/comment-page-1/#comment-1711 Aristotle Pagaltzis Thu, 22 May 2008 12:08:00 +0000 http://girtby.net/2008/05/23/blogging-horror#comment-1711 <p>I don’t think I’ll be unsubscribing in the short term, but now that you bring it to my attention, I <em>have</em> been reading his articles only cursorily lately, to the point giving them the skim-then-skip treatment as often as not. I just hadn’t consciously noticed. Now that you turned my attention to it, the fact will be rather hard to ignore; we’ll see what I do.</p> <p>FWIW, what I gleaned from his weblog is that he started as a Visual Basic guy was last doing C# and VB.NET. He has complained bitterly that Microsoft promotes C# over VB.NET, even despite tool support for the latter apparently being better; he has also gone on record that the prejudice against Visual Basic programmers is just that.</p> I don’t think I’ll be unsubscribing in the short term, but now that you bring it to my attention, I have been reading his articles only cursorily lately, to the point giving them the skim-then-skip treatment as often as not. I just hadn’t consciously noticed. Now that you turned my attention to it, the fact will be rather hard to ignore; we’ll see what I do.

FWIW, what I gleaned from his weblog is that he started as a Visual Basic guy was last doing C# and VB.NET. He has complained bitterly that Microsoft promotes C# over VB.NET, even despite tool support for the latter apparently being better; he has also gone on record that the prejudice against Visual Basic programmers is just that.

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By: Giles Bowkett http://girtby.net/archives/2008/05/22/blogging-horror/comment-page-1/#comment-1712 Giles Bowkett Thu, 22 May 2008 12:08:00 +0000 http://girtby.net/2008/05/23/blogging-horror#comment-1712 <p>I stopped reading him a while ago too, and devoted part of <a href="http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com/2008/04/jerry-springer-for-programmers-only.html">a blog post</a> to it as well, albeit after the fact.</p> <p>I don't know what happened with him exactly, but he went from often interesting to occasionally interesting to so boring I felt like he was insulting my intelligence.</p> <p>I actually initially thought it was me - I was writing a lot more code and getting a lot more done and decided he was just for wasting time, and that the change was that I had become a less time-wasty person. But then there's this post, and lots of tweets on Twitter.</p> <p>I wouldn't be surprised if posts about not reading Atwood any more became its own tiny micro-genre. He was good once.</p> I stopped reading him a while ago too, and devoted part of a blog post to it as well, albeit after the fact.

I don’t know what happened with him exactly, but he went from often interesting to occasionally interesting to so boring I felt like he was insulting my intelligence.

I actually initially thought it was me – I was writing a lot more code and getting a lot more done and decided he was just for wasting time, and that the change was that I had become a less time-wasty person. But then there’s this post, and lots of tweets on Twitter.

I wouldn’t be surprised if posts about not reading Atwood any more became its own tiny micro-genre. He was good once.

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By: Corey http://girtby.net/archives/2008/05/22/blogging-horror/comment-page-1/#comment-1713 Corey Thu, 22 May 2008 12:08:00 +0000 http://girtby.net/2008/05/23/blogging-horror#comment-1713 <p>Atwood is fun to follow on Twitter. He posts an insane amount of great links and thoughts.</p> Atwood is fun to follow on Twitter. He posts an insane amount of great links and thoughts.

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By: Gareth Simpson http://girtby.net/archives/2008/05/22/blogging-horror/comment-page-1/#comment-1714 Gareth Simpson Thu, 22 May 2008 12:08:00 +0000 http://girtby.net/2008/05/23/blogging-horror#comment-1714 <p>You may not get any code samples, but you will get to judge the quality of his output when stackoverflow.com goes live.</p> You may not get any code samples, but you will get to judge the quality of his output when stackoverflow.com goes live.

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By: Patrick http://girtby.net/archives/2008/05/22/blogging-horror/comment-page-1/#comment-1715 Patrick Thu, 22 May 2008 12:08:00 +0000 http://girtby.net/2008/05/23/blogging-horror#comment-1715 <p>Like others here, I was a once enthusiastic reader of his blog and, yeah, I had a "something changed" moment with him as well. Coding Horror has always been based heavily on paraphrasing ideas and topics from other people's posts, but -- to me at least -- Atwood used to add something to the other person's post and expand upon it. Now he just seems to regurgitate it and that, to me, is boring.</p> <p>Don't even get me started on the irony of someone who doesn't know C creating a website/forum/whatever it may be named Stack Overflow. Ugh.</p> Like others here, I was a once enthusiastic reader of his blog and, yeah, I had a “something changed” moment with him as well. Coding Horror has always been based heavily on paraphrasing ideas and topics from other people’s posts, but — to me at least — Atwood used to add something to the other person’s post and expand upon it. Now he just seems to regurgitate it and that, to me, is boring.

Don’t even get me started on the irony of someone who doesn’t know C creating a website/forum/whatever it may be named Stack Overflow. Ugh.

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